The day after...a crappy jury verdict

rainbow.JPGThe day after.

Oprah talks about the power that our bad secrets hold over us.  The amount of time and energy we spend keeping them hidden.  The worrying that others will find out.  The feelings of unworthiness that fester from trying to suppress our embarrassments.

For trial lawyers, the bad secrets are the crappy verdicts that juries render.  Our culture is dedicated to trumpeting big wins but rarely mentioning the small ones.  In hushed tones, we talk of losses that we hear about through the grapevine.  We rarely say anything directly to the attorneys who drop out of sight to nurse the pain.

This month our state bar ran a story that I wrote 8 years ago on humility.    What a coincidence.

Here is what happens after getting yesterday’s crappy verdict.

  • Console client.  Nothing else matters until that is done.
  • Avoid everyone in the office as much as possible.  But can’t really. 
  • Make a pretense of working.  Don’t get anything done.
  • Send immediate notice of verdict to everyone at office and on trial diary list – because have made vow to always be all the way real.
  • Wish didn’t have to broadcast verdict.
  • Bet law partners wished I didn’t broadcast the verdict.
  • Think of four or five prominent trial lawyers who have gotten defensed recently.
  • And of how quiet they are.
  • Think about all the lawyers who ask me to work on their client’s cases – even though they know I don’t always win
  • Think about how Steve N brought me in to settle or try a case that resolved last month for a very large but secret sum. 
  • Think about the case tried 2 months ago with Steve H that Allstate is whining about.  They need to hurry up and pay that verdict and our fees.
  • Wish this case had turned out as great as those cases.
  • Think about what a crappy company Allstate is and how that complicated this trial
  • Second guess whether should have followed Brad’s advice.  Taken a covenant and  tried liability later against Allstate who claimed the acts were intentional and not covered.
  • Eeny meeny miny moe.  Should have taken his advice or not or should have or not…
  • Mentally bang head against wall
  • Begin to receive slew of condolence emails and inspirational emails. 
  • Don’t answer any of them.  Yet.
  • Read most important email from most important mentor:  Karen, I am proud of you because you tried the case.  You learn and get better with each trial and, most importantly, the defense knows that you will try the case.  That fact raises the value of all of your settlements (probably doubles) for all of your other clients.  Tom (Chambers)
  • Read email from Janice Kim instructing me to go watch a movie as soon as possible
  • Email back and forth with Rick Friedman about trying hard cases
  • Put Nala’s leash on and leave office at lunch time with no intention of returning.
  • Get in car and don’t get lunch.
  • Noelle sends me number to call.  Call it.  She is at the Rome airport.   Gives a progress update.  On her way to study abroad in Sienna.  Love you, Bye.
  • Drop Nala off at home.
  • Drive to Salvation Army thrift store.  Look at all the bits and pieces of old stuff.  Find a pretty antique silver tray.
  • Drive across the street to Pacific Galleries.  Very large antique store.  Look at all the bits and pieces and don’t buy anything.
  • Drive to Home Depot and get some more pink annuals for the deck pot.  While at Home Depot Cristina calls. 
    • How are you doing
    • Am pissed off.
    • Are you okay
    • Am not upset.  Am pissed.
    • That’s the same thing.
    • No.  Am angry at that jury.  They were wrong this time.
    • Are you at a thrift store
    • Hahaha.   How do you know I did that.
    • You always do.
    • Really
    • Yeah.
    • Why do you think that is
    • You want to be around poor things.
    • Hahaha.
  • Total cost of retail therapy $24.67
  • Drive home.  Alysha is in the kitchen.  She gives me a very nice big hug.  Needed that.
  • Take Nala out again.
  • Hook iphone up to speakers on deck.  Pandora set to Aretha Franklin.
  • Dig in flower pots and transfer the plants.
  • Look at emails on iphone.  Still pouring in.  Frank Schoichet says he has 4 rules of cases not to take against police officers.  Rule #1 – no alcohol.  Now he tells me.  Click off phone.
  • Can’t click off brain.
  • It is Thursday which means Queen Ann Farmers Market.  Get bag and drive up the street.  Park.  Buy kale, carrots, snap peas, strawberries and raspberries.  Go to falafel stand.  Take home dinner. 
  • Back in kitchen, read the rest of sappy Danielle Steele novel on kindle while eating falafel.
  • Sweep front porch area and pick up the few leaves that have dared to drop there since yesterday
  • Feel slight guilt for not being at office.
  • It is now 5 so would have left anyway yet still feel guilt.
  • Throw on running gear and out the door with Nala.   
  • Run up the hill and wind through the neighborhood. 
  • Agitation is not helping the run much today.  Feel like weights are tied to ankles.
  • This is what goes through mind
    • Despite all the sweet emails from lawyer friends saying this is a good result- know for a fact – it is not.
    • Allstate offered $20K to settle.  We barely bettered it.   That doesn’t make it a win
    • Under-estimated the impact of alcohol
    • The jury was too old
    • They were heading towards a defense verdict.  Felt it on Tuesday and have no doubt
    • If that sudden emergency instruction had been given, for sure it would have been a defense verdict
    • There’s nothing to appeal
    • Hope client is feeling better
    • This sucks
    • Wonder who the presiding juror was
    • At least it only took 2.5 days.  Not 2.5 weeks. 
  • Home by 7:30.
  • Look at Fandango – movie is playing at 7:50
  • Hit the shower and leave house at 7:47.  There are 20 minutes of previews anyway.
  • Go down usual route and come to stop.  Traffic backed up due to graduation ceremonies. 
  • Make it to movie theater by 8:05.    Was aiming for 8:00
  • Get popcorn and diet coke.
  • Previews are still going. 
  • Watch Fast & Furious.  Janet’s right.  Action movie is the way to go
  • Come home.  Still stewing but not as much
  • Do load of laundry. 
  • Take Nala out.
  • Turn on schmaltzy Pandora channel – I will always love you (Whitney Houston).
  • Write this trial diary entry. 
  • And call it a day.

 Photo:  Rainbow seen from my bedroom window 

How Allstate made the jurors wait to start...for over 6 hours: a trial diary story

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Trial day 1

 

Instead of doing her usual acrobatic routine, Nala is curled up around my feet.  On the little rug in front of the sink.   I glance up at the little crystal clock on the shelf.  It says 6:10 which means it is 7:10 since the clocks sprang forward Sunday.  Haven’t changed it yet.  The mental math keeps me sharp.  Or so I tell myself.

On goes the regulation black.   Black jacket.  Black tights.  Black boots.  Black skirt  with little ruffles.  The only color is a non-color on the shirt.  Flesh toned I guess, in a shade several tones lighter than I.  With rouching  and gathering to soften the severity.  Of my black hair. 

I leave my rings on the little metal hand stand next to the orchid on the counter.   There are only two of them.  One is a pretty piece of jade from an antique shop on Royale Street in New Orleans.  The other is my best friend pinky ring.  Shellie and I have matching ones.  We do pinkie finger shakes wearing those rings.  I always wear them.  But not for this trial.  Because my right hand is covered with a big band aid.  The story involves  E.J. my six year old nephew and Nala, but that can be told another day.

After dropping Nala off at doggie day care, get on the freeway.  Head to Everett.  This will take 45 minutes.  Plenty of time to practice opening.  Or conceptualize voir dire.  Maybe review testimony of the first witness.  After all, Steve Hay asked me to try this UIM case not quite a month ago.

It is raining.  Gray.  Too quiet in the car to listen to these thoughts.  So turn on The Appeal by John Grisham.  The narrator is real good.  Am transported to Mississippi. 

Park.  Ride up the elevator.  Walk a few steps across the courtyard to the entrance.  There are no security lines around the ugly courthouse.  Sorry if you’re from Everett.  But that courthouse is about the ugliest thing have ever seen.

Make it to presiding and the court has just read our name.  Don’t care, because Steve (Hay) is covering this.   He waves at me.   We get assigned out within five minutes.   I get up before I even sit down and we head up to the fifth floor dept. 12.

Now there is a reason why I’ve just spent so long telling you about trial day 1.  When we aren’t even in the courtroom yet.  You’ll see soon.

We get there and our judge is Marybeth Dingledy.  (pronounced Deengel ‘ die) What a fantastic name.   She is very direct, prompt, makes sound rulings on the motions in limine, has a twinkle in her eye.  That’s all good.

So what is the problem.

Well, the Allstate attorney Jodi says that she won’t agree to simply calling a panel of 29 prospective jurors.  She’s worried there could be bias against Allstate, so she wants 35.  Problem is there are only 29.  We need to wait to see if any jurors are going to be released from the other voir dire panels around the ugly courthouse.

So we wait.

And wait.

Each lunch. 

Come back and wait.

And wait.

Until finally at 2:30 pm Jodi cries uncle and agrees to go with whatever number there is.

Which turns out to be 31.

And then we wait for them to be brought up.

And for the judge to swear them in and do preliminary instruction and voir dire.

Which means that by the time I start voir dire – it is ten minutes until 4:00 p.m.

Can you imagine how upset those jurors must be.  I see a lot of lips turned down Mr. and Ms. grumpy pants.  And don’t blame that all.  29 of 31 have been sitting in the jury room all day long.  Waiting on us.

Oh, this is going to not go well at all.

I put on a smile and start in. 

Have you ever been to a comedy show  where the audience doesn’t laugh.  Or at a music concert  where instead of people loudly clapping for an encore, they just leave.  Or at a legal education seminar where people are reading the news on their computers and texting on their phones.

Well, that’s what it feels like when you start voir dire at 4:00 in the afternoon of a jury that’s been waiting for six and a half hours to start.

In the words of Winston Churchill which I keep quoting to my children.  “Never. Never. Never give up.”  So smile.  Push forward.  And complete the first 20 minute round of voir dire.  By the end these folks are loosening up.  Talking and shaking their heads yes and no.  Sometimes smiling.  They are getting into it. 

Then Jody stands up.   And starts to give a closing argument in the guise of voir dire.  Which is not really even in a guise at all.  She asks a series of questions which requires everyone to nod yes.  She doesn’t have them say or explain anything.  She just wants them to agree with her.   Does this ever really work.  This technique of pseudo-brainwashing.  Well, maybe.  But not today.

Do you agree Allstate should  investigate and look at all the facts and circumstances before they pay a claim.  Yes they nod.

They may not be getting anything out of this.  But she is.  Her voice is getting stronger.  She’s  becoming impassioned.  Says:  Allstate has a right to look into the…

And at that point, I interrupt and lob an objection.  Sweetly.  Which the court overrules.  Graciously.

Rick Friedman would be sighing and telling me Karen Karen Karen.  What have I told you about objecting so much. 

Am unrepentant.  It needed to be done.

Jody is thrown off.  Actually she probably comes out of her trance and realizes, the jury is just about totally asleep.   It is now 4:20.  She’s gone 10 minutes.  She calls a sidebar and offers to end her round of voir dire early.    Says the jury is flat.  Well, no duh they’re flat.  I’m about asleep myself.

So we end the day. 

Photo:  This beautiful courthouse is the Grays Harbor Superior Court building.  The Snohomish County Courthouse is the opposite of beautiful.

Exactly one week before trial...uh oh

Nalanails.JPGWake up at 6.  Hear Alysha turn off the alarm and leave to teach her yoga class.

Lean down and grab ipad off floor.  Check email.  Check weather. Turn on Pandora Anthony Hamilton station.  Lie there like a slug for another hour.  Leisurely get up and out the door.  Nala gets around to doing her business after first lunging for an imaginary squirrel. 

Arrive at office.  Make a bowl of oatmeal and rinse some blueberries.  Eat.  Check email.  Look at calendar.  Turn Pandora station to The Isley Brothers.  It is 9:00.

Cut and paste a caption onto a document.  Label it:  “Trial Brief.”  Start into the first paragraph.  Divert attention to various other things.  Ed comes in to play with Nala.

9:30 meeting with Kessler and Catherine.  Finish up at 10:15.  That was a long one.

Email comes in from John – is this document ready to go.  It is a draft of the joint statement of evidence.  Edit it.  Then have uh oh moment. This is usually filed with the trial brief.   Have sinking feeling.  Send emails.

Me:  When is the trial brief due.

John: Today.

Me:  Oh holy cow.

John:  Does that mean I should cancel my dentist appointment at 3.

Me:  Cancel it.

Look at calendar.  Oh.  There it is.  At the very top in fine print.  It basically says:  Everything is Due today!!!!

This is what has to be done.  Trial brief, proposed neutral statement of the case, joint statement of evidence, general voir dire questions, jury instructions with citations of authority, proposed verdict form.    If you are a lawyer you know what this involves and are thinking - oh holy cow.

Ask Mike in reception to please hold calls. 

Give Nala a snack.

Start drafting.

Cel rings.  It’s Noelle.  Payment deadline for the remainder of her study abroad tuition.  Figure that all out and pay it on line.

Back to drafting.

John brings in mail.  Allstate is objecting to a proposed judgment on our jury verdict from last month.  Email co-counsel.

Back to drafting.

Send a thousand emails to John.  What’s this.  What’s that.  How much is this.  Whaaaaa.

Oatmeal wears off. 

Give Nala more water.  Head out to Whole Foods for delicious salad bar.  But first, make detour.  Her nails need to be filed down at Petco which is next door.     Pick up salad and Nala.  Rush back to office.

Eat while drafting.

Manage not to choke.

Note to self – vegan chocolate cookie is actually delicious.  How did they do that. 

Finish meal while typing.

Music is too sedate.  Need more frenzy.  Turn it to…Prince!

Send more emails.  Ignore more phone calls.  Sorry – I’ll get back to you tomorrow.

Finish one document after the other.

Email John:  okay time to format.

John comes back in a flash.  Wow he’s quick.  A bit too quick.    Razor eyes of his boss find bad things.  He runs back upstairs to fix them.  It is 3:02.  If this had been a normal day, he would be just sitting down into his dentist’s chair.  Instead, is being drilled by…me.

Whelan comes in for a quick chat.  Pats Nala.  Leaves.

Back to editing the trial brief.

Sheila E.  thumps her drums and belts out:  “She wants to lead the glamorous life.” 

I bounce up and down on the ball.  Nala raises her head to see what’s going on.   Since food is not involved she loses interest.

Finish.

John rushes back with the rest of the fixed documents.

Hand him back the piles.    It is 3:27.

Am smug.  We are finished and will be able to efile an entire hour before the clerk’s office closes for the day.

John says:  it is going to be close, as he backs out the door.

Me:  Isn’t it closed at 4:30.

John:  Yes, but we have to get this to Snohomish County. [An hour away]

Me:  Don’t they have efile.

John:  No, the messenger will be here in five minutes.  If I can get this copied and done in the next five minutes they can get down there.

He sprints away. 

And so I write this blog.  While Cameo chants:

Word up everybody say

When you hear the call, you've got to get it underway

Word up, it's the code word

No matter where yo usay it, you'll know that you'll be heard now.

 

Photo:  Nala getting her nails done.

 

 

 

 

The most obnoxious interrogatories...of the month

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On the next page they demand all emails for the past six months. 

Isn't it ironic that they say "please."

This ladies and gentlemen, is what your friendly neighborhood defense lawyer will slap you with when you file a lawsuit against (in this case) a governmental entity.

 

Todd's amazing speaker intro: sings, stomps and plays the harmonica

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzliK8j82A&feature=em-upload_owner

Am at Burlington for Vermont's annual convention.  Todd Schlossberg comes up to the podium to give my introduction.  What he does next is the single best introduction I've ever witnessed at a trial lawyer seminar in my whole entire life.  Am not exaggerating.

Afterwards, ask the audience if anyone knew he could sing, play, or write music.  Only one person had a clue.

So if you are tasked with the job of introducing a speaker.  I dare you to top this.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzliK8j82A&feature=em-upload_owner

 

Mistrial - book review

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Mistrial by Mark Geragos and Pat Harris is a nonfiction book of pretty good short stories tied together with a more lofty agenda: addressing  the institutional erosion of the defense of reasonable doubt.

Here are the good things about the book:  It is written in a punchy attention grabbing style and the stories are of the sensational variety.   Both lawyers know what they're talking about.

They lay out their insights - bam - right between the eye brows.  Like this:

[V]ery few young men and women who graduate from law school will ever try a case.  Some of them end up in areas of law where trials are virtually nonexistent, such as intellectual property or antitrust.  Others go into large law firms where they are never the ones allowed to actually try a case.  But many are frankly just too scared to do it.  There are a large number of lawyers, many calling themselves trial lawyers, who are petrified of going to trial.  You can identify the really nervous ones because they are always the biggest blowhards, screaming and threatening that if they don't get what they want the will just go to trial.  Invariably if you look at them and say, "Okay, let's pick a jury," they fold like a cheap suit.

That really is quite clever. 

They go after obnoxious people.  Like Nancy Grace.  Even though I don't watch t.v. at home, I've been unable to escape her many nights on the treadmill at the gym.  They lay it all out there like this:

Grace was once a Georgia prosecutor known for being tough and for committing multiple acts of prosecutorial misconduct.  "Prosecutorial misconduct" is legalese for saying she lied and cheated.  In fact, appellate courts in Georgia found that she had committed prosecutorial misconduct three separate times in a nine-year career.

So the book is quite entertaining.   

Yet one of the authors' missions is to change the way people think about the criminal justice system.  To heighten awareness as to its increasingly lopsided nature.  And to perhaps influence future jury pools. By reminding them of the importance of proving beyond a reasonable doubt.

This doesn't happen.  It can't happen.  Because the authors are dedicated fighters for the defense.  The book is written to highlight their point of view.  It is not subtle.  It doesn't pretend to be objective.  And as all trial lawyers know - people won't change their minds just because you tell them to. 

This one gets a B-.  It would have been better if Geragos and Harris could have spent more time on it.  But hey - they're in-demand trial lawyers.  So the fact they squeezed out any time to write this is deserving of applause.

Voir Dire...as a social gathering via Spreecast

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What the heck is a spreecast.

Why so glad you asked.  But can't quite explain it to you.  Because still not exactly sure.

Mitch Jackson, asks me to do one with him.  On voir dire. 

First, have to get the spreecast up and going on computer.  But the screen goes dark and there's a box telling me to hit a button.  Can't hit the button because box won't close.   So call Mitch.  He walks me through to the black screen and box.  He says, hit the button in the box.  I say - it isn't a real box.  He says - hit it.  So I do and well...it is a real box.  What a dummy.

So it is up and going and basically he's on one side of the screen and I'm on the other.  He's a real pro.  Has an ear piece and looks sharp.  I on the hand, am bouncing on my ball and looking off to the side where I think the camera is.

Despite my personal challenges, we have the spreecast and it is quite fun.  He is quite perky and a darn good interviewer.  Kind of like a lawyer version of a decades younger Larry King.

Here's the interview. 

http://www.spreecast.com/events/karen-koehler-the-velvet-hammer

Dealing with Death Wednesday - the postscript

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Dealing with Death Wednesday - a tirade

12SN1972 (3).JPGYesterday night Noelle didn't come home.  I worried about her.  Even though I figured she was staying at her friend Leda's house.  Noelle is 19.  Old enough to think that she doesn't have to check in every single minute of the day with me.  I have a hard time with that. Cristina and Alysha, her older sisters, know that 19 is not my magic cut off number.  Because I still call them and ask where they are every single day as well.

Today am working on two different cases where two kids Noelle's age, didn't come home ever again.  Here's the story of one of them.

S was actually a year younger than Noelle.  He and two buddies went to a 7-11 to pick up some candy and chips.  Happily munching their snacks as they walked home, they were mowed down from the rear by a drunk driver.   Once this despicable individual (and his buddy) stumbled out of their junker and realized what they hit was human, they got back in and fled the scene.  Until they hit a tree.  And eventually were caught.

Now, I don't learn all this simply by talking to people.  Or having Bryson my investigator tell me what people said to him.  No.  I learn it by re-living it.  Scour ever sentence of the 376 page police report.  Examine at zoom-in level each photo.  Study each line of the Medical Examiner's report - googling all the medical terms to make sure I get it.  Look at the broken covered body of S.  Look at the broken uncovered body of S.  Look at every single thing there is to see.  And it is overwhelming.  And sad.  And devasting as I think of his family.  In particular his father who raised him after he was deserted by his mother.

At times am crying.  This young person died on a cold, hard, road.  The last person to look at him before he left this world, was a police officer.  There was no one to whisper words of love.  To hold him.  To kiss him goodbye.

And then I get angry. 

Angry at the insurance company who says there is no case. 

Angry at The State of Washington for disrespecting the family.  For drawing a fake line in the sand.  That a parent has no rights when their child is killed if that child is over 17 years old.  That a parent's right to the love, care, companionship, and affection of their child vanishes on a birthday.

Noelle calls to say she's on her way home.  And somehow, I need to put S and his dad and all these details and images out of my mind.  And try not to drive her batty with my over-protective instincts borne of an elemental love - that the State of Washington could care less about.

Photo:  Every parent's nightmare.

Deposition fight - standing up for your client

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In this deposition, the defense attorney accuses me of being unprofessional.   So what do you think.  Was it okay for me to stand up to my client.  Or should I have let him continue down his path without interfering.  You be the judge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


14   Q     Then what other treatment did you have following that?      
15   A     I went to the knee specialist at The  Clinic.        
16   Q     Who did you see at The  Clinic?                      
17   A     There was two different doctors.                            
18                  MS. KOEHLER:  Why does the knee even matter?  She's
19         not claiming that either accident caused the knee injury.   
20   Q     You can go ahead and answer.                                
21                  MS. KOEHLER:  We'll get you the records.           
22   A     Yeah, you can just get the records.                         
23   Q     I'd like to know where you went for treatment.              
24   A     The  Clinic.                                         
25   Q     All right.  And do you recall the names of the physicians   
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 1         there?                                                      
 2   A     I don't.                                                    
 3   Q     And then what other treatment did you have other than the   
 4         hospital?                                                   
 5                  MS. KOEHLER:  Objection; irrelevant.               
 6                  MR. B:  That's not a proper objection.  You  
 7         can object to form.                                         
 8                  MS. KOEHLER:  Objection; form, irrelevant.         
 9   Q     You can go ahead.                                           
10   A     It was just the knee.                                       
11   Q     What's that?                                                
12   A     Just the knee.                                              
13   Q     Just the knee?  I don't understand.                         
14   A     I guess I don't understand your question.                   
15   Q     My question's not that difficult.  What treatment did you   
16         have other than The E Clinic and the walk-in clinic   
17         and P Hospital?                                    
18   A     For my knee injury.                                         
19                  MS. KOEHLER:  Wait.  Don't.  You don't need to     
20         disrespect the witness.                                     
21                  MR. B:  Excuse me?                           
22                  MS. KOEHLER:  By saying that your question's not   
23         that difficult?                                             
24                  MR. B:  I'm not disrespecting the witness.   
25                  MS. KOEHLER:  That was very disrespectful.  Like,  
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 1         Are you dense?  My question is not that difficult.          
 2   Q     My question is pretty clear.  What treatment did you have?  
 3         You don't understand that?                                  
 4                  MS. KOEHLER:  I don't know why you're getting so   
 5         agitated about the knee that's not even related.  We've been
 6         going over another hour.  We can take a break as soon as    
 7         you're done with your line of questioning.  She's tying to  
 8         cooperate.                                                  
 9                  MR. B:  You're the only one being            
10         obstructionist.  I'm trying to get very basic information.  
11                  MS. KOEHLER:  Be nice to her.                      
12                  MR. B:  What is relevant and what is not     
13         relevant is not up to you to decide.                        
14                  MS. KOEHLER:  Like I said, be polite.  You're now  
15         being very aggressive.  Be polite.  That's all I'm asking.  
16         You're leaning over the table.  You're getting red in the   
17         face.                                                       
18                  MR. B:  I've been right where I've been the  
19         whole time.                                                 
20                  MS. KOEHLER:  Ask a question.  Find a good place to
21         stop.  We'll take a break.  We've been going an hour.       
22   Q     Can you just answer the question, ma'am?  It's a very basic,
23         easy question.  What treatment other than the ones that     
24         we've listed did you have for the right knee injury with    
25         your dog?                                                   
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 1   A     The right knee injury with my dog is for my right knee with 
 2         injury with my dog.                                         
 3   Q     That's not my question.  Please listen carefully to the     
 4         question.                                                   
 5             What other treatment have you had other than what we    
 6         just talked about for your knee?                            
 7   A     For my knee related -- you're not asking me a question      
 8         that's very clear.                                          
 9                  MS. KOEHLER:  Right now maybe we've -- because     
10         we've been yelling at each other, now we've maybe confused  
11         the witness.                                                
12                  MR. B:  I haven't been doing any yelling.    
13         Can you read back the question, please?                     
14                       (Pending question read back.)                 
15                  MS. KOEHLER:  He just wants a list of your medical 
16         treatment.                                                  
17                  THE WITNESS:  Medical treatment for my knee?       
18                  MS. KOEHLER:  For your knee.  Any kind of medical  
19         treatment you've had for your knee.                          
                                     
***  [Witness goes through her knee treatment for a couple minutes]

                      MR. B:  What kind of therapy, if any, do you think you are going to 
13         need for your knee?                                         
14                  MS. KOEHLER:  Object to the form.                  
15   A     I don't have any idea.                                      
16   Q     There's been no discussion about that?                      
17   A     They've got to wait.                                        
18   Q     Do you think you'll ever walk again?                        
19   A     These are really unrelevant (sic) questions to this whole   
20         thing.                                                      
21   Q     Ma'am, can you just please answer my question?  It's        
22         really --                                                   
23                  MS. KOEHLER:  Honestly?  Will you ever walk again? 
24         Come on.  Let's go take a break.  I asked to take a break   
25         four minutes ago.                                           
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 1                  MR. B:  You asked when I was done with this  
 2         line of questioning, if I recall correctly, and I'm not done
 3         with this line of questioning.                              
 4                  MS. KOEHLER:  Asking her whether she's going to    
 5         walk again, that's really ridicules.                        
 6                  MR. B:  Why?                                 
 7                  MS. KOEHLER:  Give me a break.                     
 8                  MR. B:  Are you serious?                     
 9                  MS. KOEHLER:  Are you serious?                     
10                  MR. B:  Yeah, I am serious.  She's got a     
11         plate and screws in her knee.                               
12                  MS. KOEHLER:  Oh, my gosh.  Since when did that    
13         prevent someone from walking again?                         
14                  MR. B:  Well, we haven't seen the records,   
15         have we?                                                    
16                  MS. KOEHLER:  Oh, please.                          
17                  MR. B:  I've never seen anything like this.  
18                  MS. KOEHLER:  I've never seen anybody act like     
19         you're acting.  What has she done to you?                   
20                  MR. B:  Nothing.                             
21                  MS. KOEHLER:  I know.  Be nice to her.             
22                  MR. B:  What's wrong with you, Counsel?      
23                  MS. KOEHLER:  If you were asking a person that     
24         actually had a spinal cord injury if they were ever going to
25         walk again --                                               
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 1                  MR. B:  I'm going to move to strike Counsel's
 2         comments from the records.  They're totally inappropriate,  
 3         they're irrelevant.                                         
 4                  MS. KOEHLER:  Just be polite to the witness and    
 5         finish your questioning.                                    
 6                  MR. B:  Excuse me, please.                   
 7                  MS. KOEHLER:  Go.                                  
 8                  MR. B:  I don't want to be interrupted again.
 9         If I'm going to be interrupted again I'm going to call the  
10         judge.                                                      
11                  MS. KOEHLER:  Call the judge then.                 
12                  MR. B:  Please don't interrupt me.           
13                  MS. KOEHLER:  Please call the judge if you feel you
14         need to.                                                    
15                  MR. B:  I will, but I'm asking you politely  
16         not to interrupt me.                                        
17                  MS. KOEHLER:  Then be polite.                      
18                  MR. B:  Nothing happened here until you got  
19         involve.                                                    
20                  MS. KOEHLER:  I've been involved since day one.    
21                  MR. B:  Until you got involved in the middle 
22         of legitimate questioning when you all of a sudden decided  
23         it wasn't good enough for you.                              
24                  MS. KOEHLER:  All right.                           
25                  MR. B:  So stop it and let me ask the        
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 1         questions.                                                  
 2                  MS. KOEHLER:  I can't wait until the next one.  Go 
 3         for it.  Continue.                                          
 4                  MR. B:  Thank you.                           
 5                  So can you read back the last question, please?    
 6                       (Pending question read back.)                 
 7   Q     And you said you don't know, is that right?                 
 8   A     I hope so.                                                  
 9   Q     And then she objected.  She didn't think it was a very good 
10         question.                                                   
11   A     I don't think it is either.                                 
12   Q     But you don't even know whether you can or not.  If it was  
13         such an illegitimate question, why can't you answer it?     
14   A     Well, I think that's really rude and hurtful, too.          
15   Q     Well, you're suing my client for injuries.                  
16   A     Not for this knee.                                          
17   Q     But you can't work and you're claiming lost wages, aren't   
18         you?                                                        
19                  MS. KOEHLER:  We're not claiming lost wages for the
20         period of time -- we'll stipulate right here that she's off 
21         of work for her knee.  We're not claiming any lost wages for
22         the period of time she's off of work for her knee.          
23         Stipulate.                                                  
24                  MR. B:  We don't know when that is, do you   
25         we?                                                         
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 1                  MS. KOEHLER:  I'm stipulating it right now.        
 2                  MR. B:  But we don't know how long a period  
 3         of time that is until I ask the question, do we?            
 4                  MS. KOEHLER:  Well, we'll know when the doctor says
 5         she's out of a wheelchair and able to stand on her feet.    
 6                  MR. B:  And do you know when that is?        
 7                  MS. KOEHLER:  You are being so abusive right now.  
 8         Did you hear my stipulation?  I'm going to stipulate on the 
 9         record.                                                     
10                  My stipulation is:  We stipulate that the knee     
11         injury caused by her dog was not caused by either motor     
12         vehicle collision, number one.                              
13                  Number two, we stipulate that all of the medical   
14         care rendered for her knee was not caused by either         
15         collision.  We will not be making a claim for any damages   
16         for that medical care financially or otherwise.             
17                  Number three, the period of recuperation for her   
18         knee that she's off of work we are not claiming as part of  
19         the motor vehicle collision injuries.                       
20                  Number four, we're not claiming any pain and       
21         suffering relating to her knee as a result of the injuries, 
22         period.                                                     
23                  MR. B:  Up until what time?                  
24                  MS. KOEHLER:  I said the entire time that she has  
25         the knee problem that's preventing her from working.        
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 1                  MR. B:  And you can't tell me when that is;  
 2         right?                                                      
 3                  MS. KOEHLER:  Let me see.  If I was God, maybe I   
 4         could.  I think that's a pretty good stipulation.           
 5                  MR. B:  It's an easy question, Counsel.  You 
 6         can't tell me what it is; is that right?                    
 7                  MS. KOEHLER:  Can you tell us when it is?          
 8                  MR. B:  That's why I'm asking the question.  
 9                  MS. KOEHLER:  The doctor doesn't know yet.         
10                  MR. B:  We just found that out, didn't we,   
11         because I asked a good question.  Now, if I hadn't asked the
12         question, we wouldn't know.  I think we're making progress. 
13                  THE WITNESS:  Can I take a break now?              
14                  MR. B:  Yes.                                 
15                  THE WITNESS:  Thank you.

Postscript:  After the deposition ended, B and I kissed and made up. 

Photo:  At the Louvre.

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